Dialouge - 4

Guru:

Ok, the root question is – what is the TRUTH, the REALITY? Is what we see, feel, guage the reality? Or, can we be better informed – can our experiences be deeper – (meaning more meaningful)?

Now, given my level of understanding, I would not attribute only the irrational as
belonging to God. Going by my (present) definition of God, he has to be the lord over the rational too (or any thing else besides the two that might exist)………..if you can experience limitlessness, that, I would say, is closer to realizing God…..

You are absolutely right buddy……….it is really unnecessary and pointless to THINK it over and get confused……..from what I have heard of from our wise men (budha, jesus, mohd., Krishna etc. etc..), the mind is a creation of God, and is limited…..so, God can not be contained in the mind ----- and that means, God is incomprehensible to the mind………..then, is God knowledge a reality, or a concoction of the mind/emotion……..

Now, I am not after the holy texts of the world or the sayings of wise men, or even ordinary men…..but I am after the REALITY, the TRUTH………so, if all these things can lead me to the REALITY, I will make use of that……..but what finally matters to me is the REALITY…..another cause for attraction is that the knowledge of reality apparently brings with it, strength, understanding, universal love et al……

God is now just a word with a definition for most of the people in the world (or so my information tells me)……..but, I think it is highly possible that it came down from people, who have actually known what really is God……………another word for REALITY/TRUTH……now, man, as a social being, has a tendency to attribute "personal" characteristics to anything and everything…….and so you have stories where even animals and trees and rocks talk………so, this tendency is a fact ------- now, God, as the CREATOR, has created this tendency along with the human being……….still, like all else, this is only a part of God………. What would it be like to have THE PERFECT UNDERSTANDING?

Shishya:

My root question is do we actually need to go after the absolute truth or absolute reality?

Like in Sufism, the ultimate aim in one's life is to attain the knowledge('Marifa' in Arabic). They have put the whole concept in 3 principles, Sharia, Tariqa and Marifa.
1. To know shari'a (The rules for living) is to know yours is yours and mine is mine
2. To know Tariqa (The path to god) is to know yours is yours and mine is yours.
and
3. To know Marifa (Knowledge) is to know that there is neither yours or mine.

Quite interesting in principle, i do agree. But then, is life all about Knowledge? I feel quite intimidated by the vastness of knowledge. From your point what i understood is that you are after the reality because it brings strength, understanding, universal love etc. This reality could be quite tricky since we could be easily tricked by our 5 senses and its interpretation by the brain. We are quite limited in the resources for finding the ultimate reality. Is it worth a try to comprehend something beyond our comprehension?

And talking about your point on rational and irrational, with the concept of god, i am certain that he is the lord of rational and irrational(or anything else which might exist). My point was that we seek God for the explanation of irrational since rational is comprehensible to us by itself, and that there again is a rational in putting god behind irrational.

I recently happen to read a li'l bit of Ekchart Tolle's Power of Now, and as per him, Mind is the root for our unhappiness. The moment we would be able to stop the intriguing nature or the questions which our mind asks us frequently, we are on the path to the ultimate happiness . It's interesting note that Tolle is greatly inspired by Budha. When Budha was asked does the God exist, he kept silent which is interpreted as 'that is for you to find out'. But my point is, is that a necessary to find out God or the ultimate truth?

May be life is pursuit of knowledge or may be it is pursuit of happiness or may be knowledge leads to happiness. i don't know. If you ask me do I want to be happy, yes i certainly do, but do i want to be only happy, i don't know. And i also appreciate that without a blind belief somewhere or the other, it is hard not to be in confusion.