Dialouge - 3

Guru:

Yea, I guess god is the sum total of all of us……and of any and every conceivable thing….and of things that have come, that are and are gonna come and "may not come"….god, may I say, is someone/something, who contains not just the past, present and future, but also all the potentials, that may or may not manifest……like you said, the set of events are infinite, but contained as potential in God……now, one more thing, so, if all this is true (god can CREATE anything) that also means that he is untouched by his creation, in a sense……because, if he is the material he creates, that means he too is created – a really bad paradox….he is not created, but can create anything……
The next line of thought--- yes, if the creator a created being, then there has to be someone behind him too….now that our thoughts have reached this stage, let us understand one thing….all this going back (to the source) is something that happens in time…….we say that x existed before y – in time…….now, what is this time? Is that also created?

Then, what does it mean to be timeless…..that is even time comes to an end…..what is that…….....

You have to understand that there is something beyond rational too…..rational is not the sum total, but a part of the sum total……how else can you explain beauty, poetry, love etc……..even our brain has two sides to it – rational on the left and "mystical" on the right…..

If we have to accept god, we have to learn to accept everything…….but no blind beliefs please, ask for the experience……

Shishya:

I havent thought about the concept of time till now in the context of creator and creation.. thanks for that...

But it just adds one more dimension to teh whole problem... I am not saying God exists neither i am refuting the existance of god. All i am saying is i am confused on teh concept of god (my first mail).

So now are classifying things as rational and mystical(let me call it as irrational since it gives me the freedome to put everything outside rational to this class). Since rational is within our comprehension and the irrational is not, we attribute the latter to god. Here it is interesting to note that teh same rational logic of cause and effect is applied to the irrational. Further ahead, God being the creator and he cant be created is a rational stop and a belief without which teh concept of god cant be explained at all. And i think that is a blind belief and a theory which cant be proven nor disproven...simply adds up to my confusion..and my my greatest astonishment is in thinking whetehr we really need to think over it and get confused...

Just an intresting thought: Lately when i heard of the golden section (the mythical ratio where lot of asthetics are alleged upon), I happen to think on the fibnoci series on a relatively philosophical level (the golden ratio rules Fibnocii series too). The series is something modelled on cause and effect with the belief of 0 and 1 starting teh series. Every further events are the effect of previous events (here the effect being the summation). Rather than a mathematical series it is a philosophical series which says any state of the world is cumulative effect of what preceded.